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  1. Anna (@anna_tennisfan)
    Anna (@anna_tennisfan) January 15, 2013 at 4:54 am |

    I’d bet anything that if you take Djokovic’s ratio pre-2011 separately from 2011-2012, those would be 2 quite different numbers.

  2. Andrew
    Andrew January 15, 2013 at 10:40 am |

    Well, in regards to the ATP, there was an easier way to do this than to go on the ATP’s website.

    I went to tennisabstract.com, searched the players’ matches in grand-slams, and did Ctrl+f 6-0 (I also did “reverse loss record”, so I wouldn’t count the times the player was bageled) and saw the number of how many search results were found.

    I also did this for breadsticks (6-1) and found some interesting results-

    Federer- 75.


    Djokovic- 69.


    Nadal- 58.


    Murray- 45.


    So in terms of the ratio of breadsticks to matches, Djokovic (0.41) comes 1st, followed by Murray (0.338), Nadal (0.315), and Federer (0.255).

    I always thought that Federer chooses to conserve his energy more than the other 3, and really likes to play a very relaxed set, get the one break and go on to win it. Its strange that he is first in bagels. And because of that statistic, it is quite strange that he is last in breadsticks.

    1. AmyLu
      AmyLu January 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |

      We actually followed a very similar procedure at the ATP’s site — since they let you look at all Grand Slam matches at once, it was pretty quick to pull out the bagel sets on the men’s side using ctl+f. The WTA, however, won’t let you look at all Grand Slams at once so we had to individually go through each Slam for the women.

    2. AmyLu
      AmyLu January 15, 2013 at 2:08 pm |

      Forgot to mention that I found the breadsticks information really interesting. 🙂 And, you’re right, it’s kind of funny that Fed and Nole swap first and last position, respectively, when you go from bagels to breadsticks. I also find it interesting that there’s a wider gap between the men when you look at breadsticks, as opposed to bagels.

  3. Eric
    Eric January 15, 2013 at 11:06 am |

    tennisabstract (dot) com. Type in the player’s name. Click ‘career’ under ‘time span’, click ‘grand slam’ under ‘level’ and then add up the 3/5, 4/5, and 5/5 setters under ‘sets’ and then count the number of bagels to get your answer. Unfortunately, they only have men.

    1. Andrew
      Andrew January 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm |

      OK, I did that. Federer has played 967 sets, Nadal 595, Djokovic 553, Murray 448.

      The Ratio of Bagels to Sets:

      1- Federer- 0.0424.

      2- Murray- 0.0379.

      3- Nadal- 0.0353

      4- Djokovic- 0.0343.

      The Ratio of Breadsticks to Sets:

      1- Djokvoic- 0.1248

      2- Murray- 0.1004.

      3- Nadal- 0.0975.

      4- Federer- 0.0775.

  4. Amit
    Amit January 15, 2013 at 10:00 pm |

    Much like Djokovic’s bi-modal bagel conversion rate pre-post 2011, it would be interesting to compare Federer’s rate between 2004-2007 and 2008-2012. Federer still has an excellent hold game, but in my mind, his return game has steadily eroded over the last 3-4 years.

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